Soda-soap mix as contraceptives? Experts are alarmed

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BAGUIO CITY—Young Filipinos have been resorting to a concoction of detergent or bath soap plus cola drink, which they consume after engaging in premarital sex because they believe that the mixture can prevent the transmission of sexually-transmitted infections, a doctor revealed in this year’s national school health and nutrition congress here.

“The reality is that many students are engaging in premarital sex and are resorting to methods, which they think can prevent pregnancy and protect them from sexually-transmitted infections like mixing Tide or Safeguard with Coke,” said Dr. Susan Gregorio, a medical specialist of the Philippine National AIDS-Watch Council (PNAC) on Wednesday.

The three-day school health congress was opened by Education Secretary Armin Luistro on Tuesday and was attended by a thousand school heads and school health personnel from various provinces.

Gregorio said the fact that sexually-active youths tend to experiment with household products to avoid pregnancies should compel educators to integrate lessons about sexually-transmitted infections, including HIV-AIDS.

She said the Department of Health and the PNAC have noted an increasing number of teenage youths who are infected with warts and herpes.

“The sad thing is that when they get these infections, they (youths) are ashamed to get medical advice.

This makes them all the more vulnerable to other sexually-transmitted infections such as HIV,” she said.

The Philippines was among the first few countries to pass Republic Act No. 8504 (the Philippine AIDS Prevention and Control Act of 1998), which mandates, among other things, the integration of AIDS education in the school curricula.

“But we are slow in implementation compared to our neighbors in the Asean region,” said Gregorio.

The law requires the Department of Education (DepEd), the Commission on Higher Education and the Technical Education and Skills Development Authority to “integrate instruction on the causes, modes of transmission and ways of preventing HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases in subjects taught in public and private schools at intermediate grades, secondary and tertiary levels, including nonformal and indigenous learning systems.”

The AIDS education module seeks to promote not only awareness of HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases, but also behavioral change, said Gregorio.

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  • Anonymous

    “Soda-soap mix as contraceptives? Experts are alarmed”

    ‘yan ang nais ng mga DAMASO at maka-DAMASO na matutunan ng mga kabataan sa halip na SEX EDUCATION na itinuturo sa paaralan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    Surely, the news about soda-soap mix is ridiculous and it is unfounded for anyone now to say that it is again the fault of the Catholic Church.
    I think that this type of finger-pointing is not going to help either the contraception-minded individuals. What sex education should really be is not about preventing sexually-transmitted diseases but rather the one about choosing your sex partner for life? Otherwise, if it is about teaching school kids and even yuppies to use contraceptives while indulging premarital sex, then the RH bill proponents are completely resigned to solving the rising incidence of premarital sex and would solve this problem by mere protective contraption and not complete EDUCATION on SEX which is a moral issue.
    Thus, if the issue is premarital sex, the condoms and contraceptives are mere palliatives. The RH is a mere excuse for promoting condoms and contraceptives. Instead, we must EDUCATE the youth and the misinformed adults the moral aspect of having sex:
    1) Have sex with the person you are married.
    2) Avoid casual sex, extramarital sex, and premarital sex.
    3) Stay out of homosexual acts but respect the civil rights of the gays and lesbians, EXCEPT same-gender marriages because marriage is a sacred institution.
    4) Orient the youth and the misinformed adults that sex was created by God for the sole purpose of a man and a woman bound by marriage, not before marriage.
    5) God created the natural reproductive system of the female where there are periods of fertility and periods of infertility. During periods of infertility, the female can make love with her husband without any fear of pregnancy. This is how God intended sex to be completely enjoyed by a man and his wife both at the time of fertility to reproduce an infant in the womb of the woman at the instant of conception and at the time of infertility to be satisfied sensually by the spouses.

    • Anonymous

      Oh common, don’t fed us up with your god thing Padre Damaso…

      • Anonymous

        Replying to PobrengBata,

        sabi mo — “Oh common, don’t fed us up with your god thing Padre Damaso…”

        Tanong ko — Ano ba gusto mo ipahiwatig?  Di kasi madaling unawain ang isinulat mo.

    • Peter White

      The only moral issue around sex is informed consent. Your item #5 is a rehash of the rhythm method which does not work and is complete hogwash. The period of fertility is different for each woman and is not determined by any kind of supernatural being. You need to consult a physician before making those kind of statements.

      Good sex education does not encourage teens to have sex – it actually makes them delay having sex and prevents pregnancy and disease. Look at the rates of abortion, STD, and teen pregnancy in places that give good (not abstinence only) sex education to see the results.

  • Anonymous

    I have already of heard all kinds of “homemade remedies” even when I was still young. 

    The solution to this problem is to make it easier for young people to get help, perhaps by ensuring confidentiality, making schools pay for the treatment and provide for the reimbursement of the cost by the DOH or Philhealth.

    We should not encourage our youth to be more promiscuous by teaching them how to use contraceptives in the guise of “ways of preventing HIV/AIDS”

    Only chastity before marriage and fidelity to the spouse during marriage will provide 100% assurance of 0% HIV and STD infection. 

    • http://twitter.com/abrahamdsl Abraham Darius Llave

      eh sinabi na ngang that chastity does not work on all people 100% of the time. anong kulit baga ng mga kampon ng Vatican. tsk tsk tsk.

      • Anonymous

        Of course you are free to use condoms which provide only 80% effectiveness against the HIV virus or go natural and just let nature take its course.

        I wish you a long and healthy life.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QGMPSCSN2G74CRUIWMXRGUVMSI jason_tado

        with correct use, it provides 99% protection. remember, the effectivity is in the user, not in the rubber.

      • Anonymous

        The 99% protection is for perfect use, meaning laboratory results and if I may add, it is protection from pregnancy. Please look for the results based on typical use.

  • Anonymous

    Tambak ang condom sa Thailand, pero tingnan nyo AIDS level nila compared sa atin.

    Chastity is the answer folks, not some piece of latex sold by liberal profiteers.

    Go back to basics Pinoys. Don’t let pimps, perverts and prostitutes tell you otherwise.

    • Anonymous

      Thailand opted to promote condoms heavily because of high rate of HIV infections and not the other way around. They already had the epidemic before they promoted use of condoms. Get your facts straight.

      ” “100 Percent Condom Use” program and its creation of low-cost antiretroviral drugs — have helped reduce the prevalence of the disease from 140,000 new cases a year to fewer than 20,000.”
      source:  worldfocus _ org/blog/2008/12/18/thailands-mr-condom-battles-aids/3304/

  • Anonymous

    Kasalanan ito ng Pro-rh lobby.  Nawawala na ang delikadeza at pagiging
    ‘modest’ ng mga kabataan, dahil sa panay na pag-encourage ng mga pro rh
    sa ‘contraception’. 

    Akala tuloy ng kabataan na ok lang ang mag-hobby ng sex basta may kontraseptib (kahit anong kontraseptib).

    • Anonymous

      @IanAlera, I can understand that people like you want to put grave punishments to those teens who engage in premarital sex by not removing the grave consequence of unwanted pregnancies. But  have you thought about what would be the life of those who will be born by those irresponsible teen couples?

      Promotion of contraceptives is not meant to encourage sex, it is meant to restrict the damage brought by irresponsible sex. Para hindi madamay ung mga taong ipapanganak sa kahirapan ng buhay. So ano sa tingin mo, ok lang mangdamay ng ibang tao basta maging nakakatakot ang sex? I don’t think so. Sana maramdaman mo naman minsan ang buhay ng isang batang lansangan.

      • Anonymous

        unattended_monkey,

        Actually mali ang mga haka-haka mo.

        Hindi ko gustong magka-roon ng dag-dag na pag-hihirap ang mga kabataan dahil sa pagbu-buntis. Ang aking pananaw dito ay, bigyan mo man ng sangkaterbang contraceptive ang mga irresposableng tao –irresponsable pa rin.

        Ano ngayon ang kailangan? —  Tamang pag-iisip. Disiplina sa sarili ang kailangan para di mabutis ng wala sa tiyempo.  Kailangan din turuan ang mga magulang, para maging gabay ng mga kabataan. 

        Ika nga –imbes na turuan mong paano isuot ang condom, turuan mo na lang paano maging disiplinado.
        —————

        In reality, promotion of contraceptives is promoting the culture of  contraception.  Promoting contraception degrades moral values and degrades the value of human life.  —  It promotes the mindset that sex as hobby is ok, so long as you have your protection.  It also promotes the mindset that ‘fetuses’ are not human.  — Which ultimately encourages abortion.
        —————

        Siguro para matigil ang pag-inom ng detergent as contraceptives, dapat maturuan itong mga batang ito na hindi talaga contraceptives ang detergent.. Hindi na kailangan ng rh bill para diyan.

      • Anonymous

        [QUOTE]Hindi ko gustong magka-roon ng dag-dag na pag-hihirap ang mga kabataan dahil sa pagbu-buntis. Ang aking pananaw dito ay, bigyan mo man ng sangkaterbang contraceptive ang mga irresposableng tao –irresponsable pa rin.[UNQUOTE]

        Yes gusto mo magkaroon ng dagdag na pahirap kasi ayaw mo bigyan ng solusyon ang poblema. Gusto mo hayaan na lang mabuntis yang mga yan. You can only help them by providing them the proper contraception. Having sex is given, you can’t change that. Married couples want to have sex without the conception. If you can’t give any other solution then mas ok kung magbigay daan ka na lang sa nagbibigay ng solusyon. Disiplina, sige ano gagawin mo? Anong klaseng batas ang gusto mo?

        [QUOTE]Ano ngayon ang kailangan? —  Tamang pag-iisip. Disiplina sa sarili ang kailangan para di mabutis ng wala sa tiyempo.  Kailangan din turuan ang mga magulang, para maging gabay ng mga kabataan.  Ika nga –imbes na turuan mong paano isuot ang condom, turuan mo na lang paano maging disiplinado. [UNQUOTE]
        Are you referring to natural family planning? It’s not better than artificial. Both are trying to avoid conception, the only difference is the success rate.

        [QUOTE]In reality, promotion of contraceptives is promoting the culture of  contraception.  Promoting contraception degrades moral values and degrades the value of human life.  —  It promotes the mindset that sex as hobby is ok, so long as you have your protection.  It also promotes the mindset that ‘fetuses’ are not human.  — Which ultimately encourages abortion.[UNQUOTE]

        That’s your opinion. I and my wife use contraception whenever we want because not all sex should result to conception. We decide when we should have a baby. Don’t tell me you’re planning to have sex only twice a year with your wife, that’s not being “disciplined”, that’s being “repressed”.

        Don’t go talk about morality because that’s a subjective matter, not everyone can agree with your beliefs.

      • Anonymous

        sabi mo —  “…Yes gusto mo magkaroon ng dagdag na pahirap kasi ayaw mo bigyan ng solusyon ang poblema.”

        sagot ko — Yung solution nasa pangalawang paragraph.  Pinutol- putol mo kasi kaya parang wala akong sinabing solution.
        —————-

        sabi mo — “Are you referring to natural family planning? It’s not better than artificial. Both are trying to avoid conception, the only difference is the success rate.”

        sagot ko — Actually hindi ang success rate ang significant na pagkakaiba.  Ang ilan sa pagkakaiba ay ang mga sumusunod.

        1. Pang-gastos  — pag wala kang pang-gastos kasi wala kang pera, dapat matuto kang disiplinahin ang sarili mo.  Dapat alamin mo ang mga paraan na pwedeng maka-solve ng problema na kaya sa budget. —Magtanong ka sa mga health centers.  Libre lang iyan

        Dapat matutuong mag-trabaho para may perang pwedeng pambili ng contraceptive kung gusto ng isang tao.

        2.  Conservation ng resources — Kapag kaunti lang ang pondo ng bansa natin.  Hindi tamang gastusan pa ang mga condom at pills sa halagang 2-3 bilyon pesos kada taon.  Maliban pa sa ibang gastusin na kasangkot sa rh bill, na sa proposed budget ay 13,7 bilyon pesos lahat.

        Kung pwede namang disiplina lang ng sarili ang sagot.  Bakit natin kailangan ubusin ang resources sa aksaya lang?
        ——————

        sabi mo — “That’s your opinion. I and my wife use contraception whenever we want because not all sex should result to conception. ”

        sagot ko — Ang pinag-uuspan natin dito ay kapag-na-aprub ang rh bill.

        Mag-research ka muna para malaman mo na napakaraming bansa na may aggressive promotion ng contraception ay mayroong corresponding increase in abortion rate. –Mag-research ka muna. — Totoo itong sina-sabi ko, hindi lang opinyon.
        ——————-

        sabi mo —Don’t tell me you’re planning to have sex only twice a year with your wife, that’s not being “disciplined”, that’s being “repressed”.

        sagot ko — Haka haka na lang ulit yan.

        Masaya kami ng aswa ko.  Hindi kami gumagamit ng contraceptives, pero hindi kami nagkamali ng choice kasi, effective naman ang ginagawa naming pag-pa-plano ng pamilya. Wala pang gastos.

        Magtanong ka sa health center. Baka magustohan mo rin ang iba pang method maliban sa condoms at pills.
        ——————–

        sabi mo — “Don’t go talk about morality because that’s a subjective matter, not everyone can agree with your beliefs.”

        sagot ko — Ano bang morality ang sinasabi ko?  Paki-banggit nga.

        Yung abortion ba? Kung yan ang sinasabi mo, eh pasensiya ka na di ako talaga pabor diyan. At hindi ako pabor na magagamit ang pondo ng taong bayan para sa ganyang gawain, maski na sa ibang klaseng contraception.

        Ika-nga, kung gusto mong magpaka-ligaya ng hindi nakaka-buntis, eh di magpaka-lalaki ka.  Magtrabaho ka, bumili ka ng sarili mong contraceptive.

      • Anonymous

        IanAlera,

        FYI, gusto kong pumasa ang RH Bill hindi para sakin, kundi sa mga taong may kelangan neto. Kung magsalita ka eh parang ako ung walang pera. Mali ang haka haka mo.

        [QUOTE]1. Pang-gastos  — pag wala kang pang-gastos kasi wala kang pera, dapat matuto kang disiplinahin ang sarili mo.  Dapat alamin mo ang mga paraan na pwedeng maka-solve ng problema na kaya sa budget. [UNQUOTE]

        Hindi solusyon yan dahil hindi natin pedeng isabatas ang disiplina.

        [QUOTE]2.  Conservation ng resources — Kapag kaunti lang ang pondo ng bansa natin.  Hindi tamang gastusan pa ang mga condom at pills sa halagang 2-3 bilyon pesos kada taon.  Maliban pa sa ibang gastusin na kasangkot sa rh bill, na sa proposed budget ay 13,7 bilyon pesos lahat.
        [UNQUOTE]

        Kung hindi magkakaanak yang mga irresponsableng mga tao, hindi lolobo ang populasyon, liliit ang gastos ng gobyerno. Mas magastos ata ang magbayad ng mga libro, pagpapatayo ng eskwelahan, pagpapamudmod ng pagkain kesa sa condom.

        [QUOTE]Ano bang morality ang sinasabi ko?  Paki-banggit nga.[UNQUOTE]

        Eto po: “Promoting contraception degrades moral values and degrades the value of human life.”

        Uulitin ko lang ang sagot ko: Don’t go talk about morality because that’s a subjective matter, not everyone can agree with your beliefs.

        [QUOTE]Kung yan ang sinasabi mo, eh pasensiya ka na di ako talaga pabor diyan.[UNQUOTE]

        Eh kayo pala ang hindi edukado. Nakasaad po sa RH bill na pinagbabawal ang abortion kung hindi nyo alam.

    • Anonymous

      Kasalanan ito ng mga anti-RH. Nawawalan ng pagkakataong matuto nang tama ang kabataan ukol sa mga usaping mahalaga tulad ng reproductive health.

      Akala tuloy ng kabataan na okay lang uminom ng Tide.

      • Anonymous

        Ano bang nonsense ang pinag-sasa-sabi mo?

        40 years ng may family planning sa Pilipinas. May mga health centers na nagbibigay suporta at kaalaman sa Family planning. Kasama dito ang natural at artificial methods. — Lahat ito maski wala ang rh bill.

        Kung umiinom ng tide dahil akala nila contraceptive iyon, eh baka naman kapag binigyan mo ng condom, gawin itong chewing gum?

      • Anonymous

        [QUOTE]
        40 years ng may family planning sa Pilipinas. May mga health centers na nagbibigay suporta at kaalaman sa Family planning. Kasama dito ang natural at artificial methods. — Lahat ito maski wala ang rh bill.[UNQUOTE]

        Kaso hindi po libre ang artificial methods kaya kelangan ng rh bill.

      • Anonymous

        Replying to unattended_monkey,

        Diyos ko po.

        Gusto ninyo ng kunsintihin ang pagiging irresposable, gusto niyo pang kunin sa taong bayan ang pang-tustos sa pagiging irresponsable?

        Turuan ninyo paano magtrabaho ang mga batang iyan at bigyan ninyo ng pagkakataon na makapag-trabaho, para maka-bili sila ng sarili nilang condom o pills.

      • Anonymous

        [QUOTE]Gusto ninyo ng kunsintihin ang pagiging irresposable, gusto niyo pang kunin sa taong bayan ang pang-tustos sa pagiging irresponsable?[/UNQUOTE]

        Hindi po, ayaw ko lang magka-anak sila dahil malamang malaki ang kakainin sa tax natin kapag nagka-anak silang mahihirap dahil malamang wala silang pambili ng basic needs nila. Nakukuha nyo ba ung point? Mas gugustuhin ko pa kumuha sila ng maliit sa buwis kesa lumaki pa ang gastos pag nagka-anak yang mga yan.

      • Anonymous

        Replying to unattended_monkey,

        Nauunawaan kita.

        Siguro mag-kaiba lang ang pananaw natin sa tamang approach, pero pareho ang goals na gusto natin — Magandang quality of life para sa mga kababayan natin.

        Anyway salamat at maganda ang palitan natin ng ideas.

      • Anonymous

        Salamat din bro, at least na-share ko ang opinion ko sa bagay na ito.

      • Anonymous

        Wow, you are really  committed to parroting the ignorant words of celebate men in robes aren’t you?

        FACT: Kids are having sex whether you want to believe it or not.FACT: These kids are getting STDs because they are not taught properly about sex and the risks of STDs or pregnancy.Reproductive Health education will teach the kids all of the risks and realities and educate them on contraceptive devices and their proper use along with risks.Knowledge is power and by giving kids this power they will be EMpowered to make the right decisions for them. I was raised in the US and they taught us about sex education starting around age 12-14 (depending on the school system) and guess what? the number of teen pregnancies and STD cases dropped significantly within a few years.We were also taught about the importance of abstinance and monogomy as the best forms of protection against any STD and parents were sent letters to encourage them to share the religious side of the discussion with children.  When famed properly, Reproductive Health education will save lives.

      • Anonymous

        Replying to DustonBarto,

        Your opening remark is already an insult. How do you expect people to respond properly? 
        ———————

        Do not be ignorant.

        I was taught about family planning when I was in Grade 5, in the Philippines — even without the rh bill.  There is such a thing already if you do not know.

        Personally I think it is just alright. Education is good. Information is important. But not in the manner of the rh bill.

        You cannot just impose this rh bill ‘mandatory sex education’ to people.  Each one must to be allowed to choose the manner he or she may want to learn.

        You cannot condone irresponsibility by taking hard-earned taxpayers money to give away to irresponsible people. If people want to use contraceptives.  By all means, but use your own money for it.

      • Anonymous

        [QUOTE]You cannot condone irresponsibility by taking hard-earned taxpayers money to give away to irresponsible people. If people want to use contraceptives.  By all means, but use your own money for it.[UNQUOTE]
        I rather buy condom for them than buy education, food, shelter, and everything for every single baby that they don’t deserve to have.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7JVVFVYZ324YB6J6RKVPIOTYTQ Loveleen grace

    i should say, the use of contraceptives can greatly help decrease the cases of STD especially HIV.. sex education can be ONE of the solutions for this issue… pro sana naman, hindi lang puro sex education ang ipamahagi nila among those teens… they should also reinforce the values that should be taught initially by the family… pro sad to say, there are a lot of cases of dysfunctional family structure s bansa… and this is one of those inevitable things that we need to tolerate nowadays… yung sa’kin lng, sana ituro din nila sa mga kabataang tulad nito ang pagpapahalaga sa sarili… respeto sa sarili… kasi, kung may pagpapahalaga nman ang isang tao sa sarili nya, hindi niya ilalagay ang sarili niya sa isang sitwasyon wherein nararamdaman niyang “kailangan” siya.. we also need to look into the factors kung bakit nagagawa to ng mga kabataan ngayon… we’ll be surprised na most of them, ginagawa yan to feel na may nangangailangan sa kanila… :) at sana mag focus din tayo sa pag resolve ng mga causes why they engage themselves in premarital sex at hindi lng kung papaano sosolusyonan yong consequences ng mga gnagawa nila.. :)

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